Tuesday, March 23, 2010

VECO

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What a tough call. VECO is at the top of its channel, and thereby triggers a short term sell in our book. On the other hand, the fundamentals make VECO look cheap, even at $43!
Here's the math...
If VECO grows at a conservative 20% a year, then we should expect its P/E to be approx 25, assuming a PEG ratio of about 1.2.
VECO's current EPS is 88 cents. This would make a fair price for VECO of .88(25) = $22.
Using its current EPS, VECO looks expensive. But if you look ahead a quarter or two, you'll see a whole different picture. In June, the 88 cents becomes $1.57. By December, it becomes $2.34.
Using the June estimate, a fair price for a share of VECO would be 1.57(25) = $39. So it's not overvalued at all. Looking out to December, we calculate a fair price of 2.34(25) = $59.
If VECO were to go from its current price of $43 to a price of $59 by December, that would be a 33% increase in just 9 months. We fully expect that VECO will reach $59, and perhaps even trade in the 80's by the end of the year.
So do you sell now because the technicals tell you to lighten up on the shares? Or do you hold because the fundamentals are telling you to buy more? We cannot answer this, as it's up to an individual's investing style (tolerance for risk). As for us, we're not heavily invested to begin with, so there's no impetus to run for the exits. If anything, we're looking to add to our LED positions. If we get a huge rally to impossible heights well above the top of the channel, we'll lighten up on the shares. In the meantime, though, we're going to let the fundamentals be our guide. If we were very heavily invested in VECO, we would lighten up here.
It should be noted that CREE and AIXG have higher P/E's than VECO, and a surge to the upside would therefore be more of a reason to sell those names. We're willing to hold a stock that is valued for the next quarter's EPS, but not one that is valued 9 to 12 months out. We continue to see value in MRVL, as well as strong technicals.

10 comments:

Snotwheel said...

We just took the plunge and bought enough VECO to make it outweigh our position in CREE. Is anyone with us?

Anonymous said...

I thought you sold out VECO now your back in 1 day later? What pricing and why not wait for a dip?

Snotwheel said...

Anon, we've never sold a single share of VECO. We bought it a couple months ago and have held it ever since. Today, we bought more of it based on its phenomenal relative strength and excellent value relative to its growth prospects. If it dips, we will buy more.

Anonymous said...

why the hell is aixg valued at twice veco when veco is growing faster and has more revenues? veco should be trading at 70-80 area if valued like aixg. what am i missing here?

Snotwheel said...

Anon,
AIXG is a German company, and therefore reports its earnings in Euros. VECO is expected to earn $2.34 for the fiscal year ending Dec 2010. AIXG is expected to earn 1.25 Euros ($1.66) for the fiscal year ending Dec 2010.
Using these figures, VECO's forward P/E is 43.50/2.34= 18.6.
AIXG's forward P/E is 34/1.66= 20.5
So they really aren't as different as they seem. CREE is the overpriced one, as it attracts the most attention. For comparison, CREE's forward P/E using the same time frame as used for the others is approx 39.

Anonymous said...

a citigroup analyst thinks veco can earn north of 3 bucks vs those 2.34 estimates for 2010. VECO is acting alot different these days then over a month ago. It sure is holding up well and it seems like VECO is the go to led play then CREE now.. i can see VECO going to 60-80 per share this year.. what do you think snot?

Anonymous said...

speculation that amat will announce they are getting into the tool business and will announce it on their analyst day tomorrow... if true wonder how this will effect veco.. amat why not just buy veco with all that cash you have... so much easier

Anonymous said...

VECO just feels differently and trades differnetly then it did a couple months back.. The volume on this 30 million float company is just amazing lately too. Who is trading all this volume? Anyone wish to comment on VECO? thanks and their thoughts on it

Anonymous said...

VECO make no sense for AIXG to have double the market cap as VECO. VECO trading like a tease all week lots of false starts then pulls back intraday most of week.. building a base i suppose now run to 50s already

Anonymous said...

Veeco's valuation is extremely compelling compared to the other leading LED stocks, CREE and more appropriately AIXG. VECO has a PE of 15x (assuming my estimate of $2.90 EPS this year) while CREE trades at 44x and AIXG trades at 29x 2010 earnings estimates. VECO has a price to sales ratio of 2.3x while CREE trades at 9x sales and AIXG trades at 5.6x 2010 sales estimates. VECO has a market cap of just $1.7 billion while CREE trades at $7.5 billion and AIXG trades at $3.6 billion. VECO is going to have a much higher earnings per share this year (I think $3+ is possible) compared to $1.58 for CREE and $1.25 for AIXG on about the same amount of revenues as the other two ($700-800 million in sales)...yet the stock trades for a 57% discount to CREE and a 36% discount to AIXG. If VECO can get a similar valuation to CREE the stock would trade up to $127. If VECO can get a similar valuation as AIXG, the stock would be trading at $84. Let's be conservative and just say $60 is doable for VECO.